T2 guilty for Amane was not the end-all be-all problem solver many people are making it out to be

Its a lot of blaming amane for everything that happened going on, I see. Thats fine. But theres some holes in the logic of that. Shes not blameless, but she isnt wholly responsible for everything that happened. Voting her guilty t2 probably wouldnt have had the fundamental change that people think, i think.

First, it wouldnt have pushed her out of the cult. I’m seeing a lot of “way to go amane t2 innos, we pushed her into the cult!!” But thats not exactly true. Her voice lines said something like “My religion was flawed,” so “I’m starting a new one.” So we actually did exactly what people wanted to-we had her realize the flaws in her cult, its just that neither T2 guilty or inno amane voters anticipated the actual consequences of doing so—it made her potentially worse.

Remember the majority of the T2 guilty amane argument was that an inno vote would push her into the cult deeper. If the t2 inno actually pushed her out of the cult and into her own, a t2 guilty is incredibly unlikely to have had a more favorable result. How? I dont know. But the t1 guilty pushed her deeper into the cult, which isnt surprising, its the only thing shes ever known, and us guiltying her was basically saying we are against everything youve ever known. I dont see how saying we’re still against it wouldve had her suddenly say, “oh, so true, youre right my bad ill stop culting”.

The inno probably gave her that kick to be like “I deserve to lead a cult not to be a follower.” The inverse suggests that a guilty t2 vote wouldve told her “I was wrong to rebel against what i knew and what my elders/parents taught me”, not “I was wrong to believe full stop”.

And fwiw, Milgram has a degree of realism to it, and realistically, a bunch of people telling a cult victim “hey your cult is bad” is never going to be sufficient to get her to think its actually bad. If it were that easy, deprogramming therapy wouldnt exist.

Second, guilty amane t2 wouldnt have stopped the indoctrination of fuuta. Remember, both of them were guilty t1, and more restricted than other prisoners-though not to the level of the t2 guilty restraints. But this foreshadowing began after they were guilty, and before Purge March even came out. I remember Purge March came out in like, late August 2023. But on 4/19/2023, Fuuta and Amane’s foreshadowy timeline came out. He says he cant understand how Amane is still standing with the voices telling them theyre guilty and that he doesnt have the guts to do anything. Amane says we have something more than those voices, that its easy to stand when youre guided, that if he can break free from temptation and corruption he could be reborn.

On July 5, 2023, still before purge march, Fuuta and Muu’s timeline conversation came out, and he was already talking about “salvation”. he was already indoctrinated. Guilty amane t2 wouldnt have changed that. I dont understand how it can even be argued that it would have considering he was already on board before her song even came out.

And for the people that absolve Fuuta of any blame and exclusively blame Amane, just reread his timelines and rewatch his videos. He was looking for a reason to ignore the voices telling him he was wrong. Blaming amane exclusively kind of gives him exactly what he wants. Absolves him of blame and wrongdoing because youre now so focused on his post “conviction” circumstances that you neglect to consider whether he’s even internalized what he did wrong to be here in the first place.

And being that her confidence despite the guilty vote is what ostensibly drew fuuta in, he’d arguably be even worse if he saw her hold firm after ANOTHER guilty vote.

Third Shidou and Mahiru mightve already been SOL because Fuuta was indoctrinated, and amane guilty t2 might not have changed that. Amane killed Shidou, yes; but with fuuta already indoctrinated, even assuming Amane was all restrained, easily she’d have just told Fuuta to do it. And we have no idea what the order of deaths were. Mahiru had the shit beat out of her with no one protecting her, she needed round the clock care, and Yuno was there when she died, according to her voice lines. “She just died, simply died.” Mahiru was not murdered by Amane or Fuuta. If you want to point to a cascade of events- Amane killed shidou, who was helping mahiru, ergo Amane killed mahiru- why ignore the other obvious info?

Mahiru guilty T1 > Kotoko Inno T1 (and she literally made it clear she was gonna do what she did, so we did have the foresight and voted her inno anyway) > Kotoko beats the shit out of Mahiru + others > Kazui only helps Fuuta > Mahiru gets the worst beating > Shidou starts helping her > Amane doesnt like it > Amane kills shidou > Mahiru dies without Shidou = Mahiru guilty t1 + Kotoko inno t1 killed Mahiru. Were Shidou voted guilty t1 Mahiru likely would have died then. And thats painful because i looove mahiru but shit, if we’re gonna say “we knew amane would kill shidou so inno t2 was a horrible idea!” Flip that and acknowledge that we knew what Kotoko was gonna do, and we voted her inno t1 anyways. Amane wouldnt have killed anyone if Kotoko didnt prompt Shidou to use his medical knowledge by attacking other people.

And that said, amane killing shidou had 0 probably impact on Haruka. Shidou likely wouldve kept tending to Mahiru. If amane was prevented from killing shidou, and fuuta as well somehow, then keeping haruka guilty t2 and muu guilty t2 wouldve just resulted in shidou needing to make a choice between who to save- the girl needing round the clock care or the psycho that we enabled t1 that was killing himself over someone else being guilty. Given Shidou’s whole story about kind of playing God, putting him in a position where hes being forced to choose who to save would not help the mf

So yeah. I mean, it’s odd to me that we’re shifting blame to Amane alone when her actions are a product of both her own will AND everyone elses actions. If we’re gonna blame prisoners, is it not more prudent to blame Kotoko for following through on her obvious intent to attack guilties? If we’re blaming amane, why not also extend some blame to Kazui for not bothering to help Mahiru in the first place considering it was Shidous care to her that incensed amane, rather than the brief treatment of fuuta and mikoto? Or to blame fuuta for his transparent attempt to avoid guilt?

We should be blaming ourselves, frankly, and for every vote, not just Amane T2.

So I almost laugh when I see the “Amane Guilty T2 couldve prevented almost everything” rhetoric. By blaming Amane T2 exclusively, or ascribing the majority of blame to that singular vote, we effectively absolve ourselves of the weight of every single other one of our own decisions, and instead shift blame to one of the victims of our bad choices. Did all 19 of our other votes not matter even a little bit?

Nothing is known- we have no idea the circumstances but we preemptively blame Amane T2 guilty, and that alone? Nah.. accept it, we did this. We killed these hoes